Super prolific songwriters - what are your tips?

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So I know that not everyone who does this challenge always completes the 50 songs, but it seems like there are a good number of people who write way more than 50 here, way more than 14 during FAWM, and even excelling at the 100/180 challenge. Some of these are mini songs or incomplete, but some are fully fleshed out 3-minute+ ones!

Just wondering if you guys who accomplish that have any wisdom to share. Did you ever have trouble being prolific, finishing lots of songs and/or coming up with new ideas, but then something changed and you just got supercharged? Do you find that it's mostly mindset, letting go of perfectionism and expectations and being free? Or is it a special process you repeatedly use to write efficiently? Do you prefer to use prompts and random generators or mostly your own ideas?

Speaking for myself, it's like there is a faucet stuck on the on position in my brain. I just keep writing because new songs keep happening.

There is a certain discipline to getting the internal critic out of the way-- and sometimes those songs that feel like tripe at first end up being better than expected, or at least worth revising into something more.

But definitely during the timed writing challenge, just getting the ideas down and out there is my primary focus.

I am fond of skirmishes and other writing games as sources for input ideas. But I also can grab a theme and run with it.

I'm running out of time, and that tends to free things up. Also, ideas come and bits in the newspaper. Also, half my output is instrumental, which is a different way of thinking. So I come at songs from two directions.

If my brain fades (and it's on fastfade right now because of issues) there's always 12-bar-blues to fall back on.

And this year I want to get back to listening (10 listens to others at least for each one song I might put up) as that also stirs the most unusual things. "Hey what if..." not that "what if" ever ends up as envisaged or sounding anything like what I've been listening to.

Skirmishes, no matter how badly done, start the juices flowing.

Collabs: I look for lyrics that appeal, and some of my favourite outputs have been collabs. More so as I get older.

And MOST CRITICALLY: write/record move-on write/record move-on write/record move-on write/record move-on Keep going, don't stop, and there comes a wonderful time when you get in the zone and @metalfoot's music faucet turns on and you have more song ideas than you can ever get down.

I am by no mean as "prolific" as I used to be, but when I get an idea I run with it. I have hundreds of ideas that never made it past a line or two or a chorus. I revisit all of those when I feel like I can't develop a new idea. I also write down a town of single lines or ideas almost daily, even if I don't sit down to write for days/weeks. I just try to have a lot in the pipeline. I approach it like I do being in sales - I have a ton of leads. Some are strong, some are weak and some will never be. But I work them all periodically until something happens. Hence my saying - Some will. Some won't. So what. Who's/What's next.

yeah im prolific. I was talking to Bill White today and he made the point its a bit like an addiction. You force yourself to write a lot early on and then your brain keeps telling you to do more and more. I certainly feel some compulsion. I also try to balance creativity and structure! I structure times to write, places to research, topics to consider and build my war chest. When i have it all available then i hand over to my creative side! Obviously its not as black and white as that - sure i get full on inspiration sometimes, but as a rule thats how i do things.

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Tip number 1:
"Accept that your songs will be awful garbage. And that is ok."

1) Just do it - Write. If it sucks, keep writing. If it's awesome, keep writing. If you get stuck then write something else. If you consider it a draft, keep writing. Turn off the internal editor (as much as possible) and write. Got a crazy idea? Write it. Post drafts. Don't get stuck on quality of the demo. Or spend a lot of time on a demo unless it really, *really* needs it. Which it doesn't. Literally, just do it.

2) As much as possible, participate in the community. Give feedback on other songs, listen to lots of other songs. Play some of the songwriting games that are suggested. 50/90 is super laid back and easy to feel more isolated than FAWM or other challenges because it's a smaller group of (a little more intense) people. I've found the commenting back and forth and the songs I listen to do more for my inspiration and motivation than most anything else.

3) Add exercise to your routine. Clear your mind in some manner. For me it's walking around the block (or running 10 miles on Saturday morning.) Go play with your dog. Don't have a dog? Find one to play with. Free your mind and enjoy life. Exercise works best for me. Find something that works for you. A walk through nature works wonders for most people, I think.


Great thread topic @Amanda Rose Riley! Answers to your questions below (in multiple posts due to length) from my experience. I'm happy to further expound in this thread or in soundboard messages :).

"Did you ever have trouble being prolific, finishing lots of songs and/or coming up with new ideas, but then something changed and you just got supercharged?"

Ninety percent of the time songwriting feels like slogging to me. Ten percent of the time I get in the flow and the ideas come faster than I can get them out of my brain. Currently in 100/180 I have posted on average a song every two days. It helps me to stay on (or at least close to) the challenge pace and knowing I generally post more as the challenge proceeds. There were two separate periods of a week or longer where I didn't post anything. Conversely there have been a half-dozen days where I finished and posted multiple songs. I have about 15 works in progress and another dozen idea freewrites in my research folder in Scrivener. Sometimes I need to ruminate/contemplate or do something else or just live life and refill the creative well. Sometimes I need to combine/contrast ideas or find their areas of overlap. Sometimes I need to split complex ideas into multiple songs. In any timed challenge when I get stuck on one song idea I leave it and move on to another idea. There have been times when I post the unfinished stuff at the end, however if I am unhappy with particular songs (and have enough postings to meet the challenge) sometimes I do not post it.

"Do you find that it's mostly mindset, letting go of perfectionism and expectations and being free? Or is it a special process you repeatedly use to write efficiently?"

I give myself permission to write songs for my own fun and amusement, thereby letting go of any expectations for the outcome. I don't have a set process however I do generally write lyrics first. Occasionally music accompanies the lyric. Sometimes I start with a musical chord progression, riff, or beat and improvise words over it. Then I record the musical idea, post it if I can stand to listen to it (otherwise I work more on the recording or set it aside), and move on. I believe there are many ways to develop a song. As a result I do a lot of experimenting and writing exercises. I write all year ‘round during and between challenges to keep in songwriting shape. As it has worked out, a very small percentage of my songs are keepers that I memorize and play out. Maybe ten percent are songs I like enough to play out but have not memorized. Maybe another twenty percent I played out once or twice from a lead sheet in front of others then set aside. The other two-thirds get posted and never get played again but I learned something from the writing/recording of it that may get recycled later. During a challenge, I promise my inner critic 'Joe' that he can have at the song(s) after the first recording (which often gets posted) and help decide what needs work and when it is a keeper/play out song. Some of my keepers are songs I wrote in an hour or less and had minor or no changes in later edits, some in a few hours/days, some took months. Some were experiments and break the songwriting rules, some have weird chords or structure, and some are conventional.

"Do you prefer to use prompts and random generators or mostly your own ideas?"

For me writing to prompts, playing songwriting games (skirmishes, morphs, auntie-syn, corpses, fake-it, etc.), collaborations (for me in FAWM/5090 that is often putting music to another’s lyrics), and listening to other songs help generate ideas I would not have thought of on my own. That said I find that writing within a particular topic or theme helps me focus and narrow down the universe of possibilities.

First time 50/90 this July for me, but I at least consider my output to be slightly above average compared to a few of my peers. Putting out 50+ videos with new material within the first 6 months of 2020. Note that this wasn’t high quality stuff, more a sorta experiment of what I could do with restrictions in time, some were single song projects, others were 10 track albums of varying production value. I always set out to make a crap art album within a day, did this for a week or two, the backed off to rest for a few days to a week. I got quicker as time went on, but the overall output got better the more I worked on a slightly more polished sound, or ran with ideas until I felt they were ‘done’ in the sense that I was happy to consider it an idea executed, rather than radio quality polished.

I tend to go with a theory I discovered years ago (not sure where but it’s online somewhere, I’m sure you could find it).

There will only be one great song you make out of 100 songs, a few will be good, and the rest may vary between awful and shouldn’t have bothered. So if you consider it this way, you have freedom to try and write as many songs as you are capable of, to search for that raw jem, the one that makes you say “this is it, this is what I came for”. I ultimately consider all my songs first drafts, even if the majority never get completed or reworked.

I also consider songwriting more than expressing feelings, it’s an avenue to try new ideas and seek out making more subject matter than the traditional love songs. Experiment! Prince was known to be super prolific, even sometimes recording a full album he came up with in bed the night before in one day, then getting up the next day and hitting the studio to complete another! And I keep this in mind when I have a bit of a slump. He recorded everything he could think of.

Also, know you’re gonna make some trash. For me, I know I’m gonna do some bad stuff but the good stuff comes the more you work at your craft. Explore other fawmers songs, even stuff online elsewhere. YouTube is a wonderland for ideas if you consider the time to look for what you’re specifically after. I second also all points in the thread made already, remember you can have a life as well as making music. Other hobbies can help you process in your mind, such as jogging or repetitive quick goal games. The relaxation is encouraged... but don’t relax too much! You’ve got a song to make! Wink

One more thing-- the wider diversity of music that you listen to, the more musical ideas your brain will be able to come up with. Not that you are consciously or subconsciously copying others so much as you're training your brain to hear different chord structures, transitions, etc. Which then gives you more mental freedom in the writing process.

In my first FAWM I wrote a song which has been very much my motto as a songwriter... "Dare to Suck".

If you let yourself write whatever, you'll come up with a lot of garbage but you'll also find some amazing gems, in my opinion.

Great topic for a thread!
Totally with @metalfoot on listening to a lot of different kinds of music - famous heavy metal riffs have made their way into my bluegrass songs!
Good to see my pal @AndyGetch weighing in here, too - in addition to being creative and prolific, he is a student who studies other songwriters.
And what @tcelliott says about exercise/physical activity works for me, too. And, dogs! I get so many ideas on morning walks with my old hound.
A couple of tips from me - if I start a song, I see it through to completion. No half songs for me. And once a song is written - usually in under a half hour - it's done, and on to the next one.

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regarding the inner critic, best way to shut that asshole up is to just post it, don't even listen

if you don't care if it happens to be crap(more often than not it is the case, and turds can only be polished so much anyway...multiple takes, cleaner/tighter recording, multiple layers) why should anyone else care Smile

Lots of good tips here already. Best one is...Write! And then write some more.

If you're someone who desperately wants to write something awesome but you're stuck on your Opus Magnum (or if not), put it aside for awhile and write a quick silly song. A quick love song. A quick sad song. A quick song in a genre you never tried before.

Every one of those "quick" songs makes you a better songwriter and some of them will surprise you at how good they are!

Oh and be sure to skirmish! That is just organized quick songwriting!

I'm one of those folks that sometimes does 50 songs in February. My recommendation: practice your skirmish skills.

Song skirmishes are 60 minute song challenges where you get a prompt at the start of an hour and you write/record/post within that hour. They're super fun. (You also know that everyone else playing had the same amount of time to work. Some people are _super_ impressive.)

How many hours does it take you to write a typical song? Once you're confident in your ability to write/record/post in 60 minutes, one hour means one song. Your available time changes with practice. Family gone for 30 minutes to the store? Can you write and record a song in that time?

I'm a big fan of the 30:60:10 rule, where 30% of the songs you write are horrible, 60% are just mediocre, and 10% are f'ing awesome. To get more awesome songs, you need to write more songs -- period.

If your goal with a demo for 50/90 is to have something you can put on an album, you're going to have a hard time hitting 50, and -- according to the 30:60:10 rule -- the majority of them will be meh.

For me, the goal is just to answer the question, "Do I like this song or not?" If I had a band, could I use this demo to sell it to them?

If I want an album full of songs I love, I need to introduce myself to a lot of songs. Some will be perfectly fine, just not the best fit for me. The skirmish-style start is a one-hour date. Maybe I'll want a second date. Maybe I'll be glad I only had to suffer an hour before it ended.

Oh! I also sometimes write songs to get to the songs _behind_ that song.

I had a blockage and wasn't getting any songs out. I sang about my feelings and found one of the most depressing songs I've ever written.

Then, with those feelings expressed, I could go back to the fun, zany stuff that I like.

I'm not putting the depressing song on any album. Sometimes I just need to write songs to help move through the feelings and get to the other side.

If you want something lighthearted and fun, but can't get anything out... We're still dealing with COVID and stuff. Sing about your feelings, get them all out. Maybe it'll be full of depression and anxiety -- that's okay! Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you need to use it. The goal is to get to the other side so you can get back to the lighthearted and fun stuff you love.

I'm going to go pedagogue for a bit. Everything that has been said is all excellent advice. But I will add 3 more things. 1. Long term and short term goal setting. 2. Targeted/mindful practice. 3. Self evaluation. Talent Code by Daniel Coyle is a very good, short read and it breaks things down pretty much like this too.

So for instance, in the long run, would you like to be able to write a song a day? 5 songs a week? What do you want your ultimate output to be? That's your long term goal. It should be specific and ultimately attainable. Where are you right now in relation to that goal, and where do you think you can get to this year? Maybe 50 songs is your ultimate goal, but this year you shoot for 10. That's your short term goal. It should also be specific and attainable. You might have other short term related goals. Like for me I want to write a certain number of songs that I can perform live. This year I want to play around with hocket some. You can break your short term goals down into weekly or daily tasks to help organize.

Targeted mindful practice means setting regular time aside for writing. You have to make it a habit. Identify what you will be working on each day. Pay attention to how it's going. What's working and what's not. What's getting you frustrated. Think about all the things that can go into "practice" when it comes to writing. That includes listening to music that you like and trying to break down what works about it. It includes reading books about how music works. It might include writing the same song 3 different times to see how different methods work. Don't be afraid to suck at this part. We all suck when we're practicing. That's why we're practicing.

Self evaluation. Take the time to figure out what works and what doesn't. What are your strengths and weaknesses. Is it hard to stick to a daily writing routine? Do you freeze when your inner critic starts gnawing at you? Do you feel like you get stuck in a rut and write the same thing even if you're trying not to? All the suggestions above are great, but we don't all rely on every single one of them because we're all working on different strengths and weaknesses. If you find that something is blocking you, you can try to lean on a strength to circumvent it, or you can try to focus on that weakness and remove the block. It's a lifelong process, but it works in all sorts of things.

Coyle explains it better. I highly recommend his book.

Here's my methodology:

Improv. Press record & start playing. Don't think about it. Just press record & start playing. And when you feel like it's the end of the song, press stop & then post. Repeat.

It's like brainstorming, really. Capture a feeling & move on. Make it a habit.

Whatever you do (as others have noted): don't let the inner critic say a word until after the challenge is done (beit FAWM, 50/90 or some other song writing challenge). The point is get ideas/feelings/chords/riffs/lyrics recorded. You can go back & cut/re-arrange/remix/rewrite/edit later. Just play & enjoy the process.

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great thread, all great suggestions. This year (2020) I've been fairly prolific, especially in terms of music i released on bandcamp- for a few reasons. I've been doing it long enough (over ten years both here and at fawm) so I've figured out how to get to that 'songwriting space' at least some of the time... not all of my stuff is topical or political, but early on i seemed to develop a bit of a skill to weave those 'topical' themes into my stuff, probably reflecting my interests, as much as anything. And 2020 has had no shortage of things to write about in the world, right? (The FAWM album i released in early March ('copper wheat penny of 1911) had a few allusions to the whole pandemic thing) and when the whole quarantine/pandemic thing went into full force here in NYC in mid-march, (and I was no longer working for a while) I wrote and recorded an album 'pandemic reality' (also available on bandcamp as the earlier stuff) and now with the protests, etc, I just released a two-song single on bandcamp as well. (see my profile here if yer' curious, i guess)

All this to say, not 'write political' or 'write topical' -- but- write about what you're interested in! No matter how arcane or unusual, its a great way to get the process rolling! another thing I do, playing a bit of several related string instruments (guitar, mandolin, dobro, a bit of uke and banjo, etc) is just to pick up an instrument i havent played lately and 'just play and see what happens'. have fun, everyone!

Haven't had a chance to read everyone's responses, so apologies if there are repetitions. My top tips are:

- Lower your quality control. You don't have to have a great song with every song and you can always go back and edit.

- Finish everything. Redefine finished to suit your needs, be that making it a very, very short song, or repeating a verse in French.

- Use challenges to restrict yourself. It can help you write if you have fewer decisions to make than a blank page.

- Collaborate. If you can find the person who works with your style, it will feel like they do all the hard lifting and you just have to do the easy part. In an ideal partnership where you're both playing to your compatible strengths, they will also feel like you're doing all the hard lifting and they just have to do the easy part. (I commented to [@wordsmith] once that I have worked with a few times that his lyrics come to me as fully written songs with melodies and arrangements when I read the lyrics and I just have to work out how to play it).

- Stop (only) writing about you. You're a great person, but there's only so much you can say about yourself before you start repeating. Repeating is fine from an outsider point of view, but I found I got bored of it for myself.

- Join in with the community. They can help spur you on and give you ideas.

- Finally, post everything, even if you're not massively happy with it. A friend once told me that a song, which I thought of as a throwaway, helped her through a really difficult time, and I revisited that song with fresh eyes and realised it was actually pretty good.

@metalfoot My first point can be boiled down to "Give yourself permission to suck." I think we've had that conversation at least once before. It's a damn good tip. Much like forgive yourself, there's a lot that can go into it and it's very powerful.

@helen re: Restrictions. There's nothing less motivating than a blank page and a deadline. Put a restriction in place and suddenly the mind starts solving the problem. From starting with a bass line or only limiting your lyric to words that have no vowels but E (glaces at @Stephen Wordsmith) to almost anything else. It's the human strength to overcome restrictions. Great tip.

First - release yourself from the outcome - it doesn't matter what the song looks or sounds like - it's the journey of creation where the gratification is achieved. If you chase the results from the results - you'll never feel completed or fulfilled. The act of writing is the journey - and the journey is what you'll remember and learn from.

I treat songwriting like I treat my insomnia - create the most positive creative space I can - assemble all the tools I know will assist me in achieving my intended goal - (bed + darkness + quiet space = something to make music with + something to record music on + quiet space) Give it 10 to 15 minutes, if goal isn't growing closer - move to a different space and trouble shoot (hungry? thirsty? need a good stretch? read something, listen to something) then reset creative space and try again. After 3 attempts, move to hot shower and Songwriters forums online to see what is working for others. then lather, rinse, repeat.

@helen, great tips!

Also, I should add (because I know there's a lot of Eno fans in this community): when you hit a wall - use an online random generator or Brian Eno's Oblique Strategy Cards to get your Muse to switch gears & take you in a new direction.

Here's a link to an online version of the Oblique Strategies:

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Great thread folks, thanks for the reminders!

Sadly, it seems you can break good habits as well as bad ones, and I've totally lapsed on my songwriting in the last two years. I feel like I've slipped from prolific to stagnant.

Still, rather than listing the litany of excuses why I can't write, it's more productive to list the reasons why I can. I can do this (and you can too Smile ) I just need to get back in shape--- back in the habit of recording daily--- silencing the critic and keeping the first take. It's the spontaneity and freshness of 50/90 that makes it great. Who knows what the season might hold.

To expand on my last comment, when I am stuck one of my getting unstuck methods is random song generation. A lot of times it is a train wreck but so much fun. That could be using the FAWM muse tools linked on this website I especially like generating word clouds and using as many of the cloud words as I can. It also could be randomly picking a title or chords from a book by flipping pages. Or pick a title word or phrase and use all of the A-G letters as chords (could be in key or chromatic). Like the phrase 'super prolific' would be a song with the chords E, F, and C. Could be the major chords and chromatic or it could be E, F#m, and C#m to stay in a key.

One more thing I'll add (honest, it's my last!): try to capture a moment in time. That's what I try to do. I try to capture a moment, an idea or a feeling. I approach my improvs from that sort of headspace. I may go back & play some of my songs again, but they are never the same as the original recordings. I have changed since that moment that they were recorded. Time has moved on - & so has the world. There's that famous quote: "You can never go home again". That is how I approach my music. A recording is a moment captured for posterity. The song recorded will change every time I play it afterward - the essence will be there. But it will be different, perceptively so in many cases. But I'm alright with that. I've never been one who has wanted to go see a band or musician live & have the exact same experience as the album. I love live versions of songs because there is always something different about them. That's part of the experiænce I am trying to create for my listeners.

To quote a song from a good friend of mine (actually the guy who introduced me to FAWM ten years ago): [@isaacxiv]

"I caught a wild moment by surprise
And trapped it in a snare
And stole it from the past
Where it might stay naive and unaware"

from The Moment Captive by Isaac Quarorze

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Like others have said, participating in the community and joining skirmishes and other challenges are huge motivators for me. I usually hate whatever I'm working on until I'm done with it, so the constraints of a skirmish are a good way to get past that inner critic because there's just no time to ruminate on hating it. Also I write down snippets of lyrics and chord progressions often and noodle around on the guitar even if I'm not writing.

I use the Lyricloud tool a lot ( I'll throw a word I want to use into the box and see what cloud I get, then write them all down and see how many I can use. I also use @IA's Bard Cards. I like to pull a few random ones when I get stuck and see what sticks with me. Highly recommend them!

As for my mindset, I've really had to work to silence my inner critic and let the songs take their course. Sometimes it feels like slogging through mud, other times things come quickly and easily. I just remind myself that it's a process and that it's another song no matter how I feel about it once it's done. I've had to learn how to let go of songs and recognize ones that will never end up on an album, and tell myself that it's okay. Like the time I wrote a 30 second song in a chipmunk voice consisting entirely of the word "mouse." Not everything has to be a masterpiece.

@Robyn Mackenzie perhaps though it may have been a “Mouseterpiece”

Thanks so much for all these insights everyone! I'm actually taking notes and setting up preparations so that on the first day of the challenge I'll be in the best headspace possible.

Take your inner critic down to consciousness' stream. Push the bastard in, and watch him drown.

Failing that, pretend you did, then write a song about it. Hi, @helen!

As so many have said above, and have also said before, and will say again, it's all about silencing that inner critic and perfectionist. Like so many other people, I understand the concept, and want to just let go, but have tremendous trouble doing so. But hey, maybe this year will be when I finally really manage to do it!

@Stephen Wordsmith My problem is I never have any trouble writing stream of consciousness prose, and when I do, I often end up writing a lot of interesting phrases that I'm very satisfied with. But the second I say "I'm writing a song" and try to write it into lines with rhyme and sense, it's hard for me to write lines because I want every one to be well-written and compelling, which they can't always be, so I feel stuck. (I do finish plenty of songs, it's just always a struggle to let go and silence my inner critic, and I wish it wasn't!) I know the next suggestion would be "so don't worry about rhymes and making sense," but the truth is those are the types of songs I want to write -- good, coherent ones that I feel proud of and stand up next to the music I admire. I don't want to write messy, experimental ones (I know that is some people's preference but it's not mine). And for me, making huge edits to a song later if I didn't get it right the first time is even harder than writing fresh. So basically I'm just always way too much in my head!

I use a lot. I have it randomly generate a key and run with one of the chord progressions it spits out for me.

I used to to painstakingly worry over everything bit of a song and didn't write unless I was really moved by something personally. Now I sign up for challenges which makes me feel like I need to get it done regardless of the topic.

I also honestly don't care if it's not good and isn't something I'd use beyond a writing exercise. I have found that putting parameters like the challenges as well as just not caring if the song is good has really opened me up to not only try new things but to get way more songs done.

While I'm not one that is able to do 50+ or 14+ during either event, I do have some tips that I would like to share with you. These are just things that I do personally when writing songs.

I look at iTunes. I'll often just look at song names and see if anything strikes me. Like, I have a song called "Wilmas & Bettys" and the phrase "Wilmas & Bettys" started off from me browsing iTunes just looking for old cartoon theme songs. I saw a Flinstones theme and I was like OH SNAP I LOVE THE FLINTSTONES and I started trying to remember the names of all the characters. I said "Fred, Wilma, Betty, Barney" all together and immediately I had the theme from the 90s Milk commercial "Refrigerator Raider" pop up in my head ( and I went "The Wilmas and the Bettys" in the same tone as "Refrigerator Raider" (7 syllables in each) and I was like omg I love the way that sounds, how can I make a song of that? Then I remembered "Bettys" was an 80s surfing term, so I wrote a surf song about it.

So browsing iTunes gives me ideas. I see song names and I go "love that name, what could I write with this song name and call it something else?"

Other things I do are with my cell phone. I'll be like "Hey Siri, play music that doesn't suck" and she'll play something she thinks I'll like and sometimes it's instrumental stuff and I'll just start singing out loud over whatever is playing, basically freestyling (without rapping) over the music. If it's something I like, I'll stop the music and tell Siri to make a note and use the voice thing to recite what I just said. Like, Tuesday (I think) I did that over iLL.Gates song with UHNK "Trapezoid" and I came up with this:

It's a game we've got to play
stakes too high to walk away
make your move, make a move
then close your eyes and pray

that's mostly just rough gibberish, but the idea is decent. I had the thought WHAT IF there was a game where you had to escape a trapezoid and iLL's song with UHNK was playing as the theme? What would that be like?

So I do random things like that and I just wanted to share...maybe they would work for you or inspire your own ideas about how to come up with lyrics or song ideas! Biggrin

Always write something every day, for 30 mins.
Even if 15 mins is all you have some days, DO IT Smile
It's about keeping the muscle exercised, then when you do have patches of more time, it's loose and works much easier.

And you are right about letting go of the mindset of it having to be perfect before you post it here. I write them fast and just post here, warts and all. Then if it has promise, I find a co-writer (I'm a lyricist) and polish the lyrics up with their music etc.

Interesting obs by all, just a like trying to run a marathon first go, aint going to happen. Would strongly recommend trying to write two, then three and do this a few times, then try four in a sitting. Five is starting to run the half marathon, even if you get it down to a half hour write and record, to get it up on the site, breathe and live, it will take you around 45 minutes to complete. 15 in a day is exhausting, 10 mind numbing but each time it is exhilaration.

To get 8 zongs for the 10 songs you post next Thursday, just the way it is.

When you are writing intensively, you dont have time to be critic, it is get it done, record it and start writing the next one. You will then be in the zone.

Whilst this may be the way I can write 50 in a week, the best advice I can give is...

One idea, each song. Next idea...


Funny I wrote this post and then I wrote 6 songs in one day! Yesterday I only wrote one because I was busy, but I feel like all this advice has helped me. I took @AndyGetch's advice to name my inner critic (named her Sally) and promise her she can have the song (and tell me to change things, or not release it publicly at all) after I post it here.

My main issue is I found that I didn't want to write anything because I feel like I haven't yet learned how to be creative enough with chords and melodies. So I tell myself I should be spending time learning new chords and stuff, and that's fine, but at the end of the day many (if not most) successful songs use simple chords and melodies and I have things inside me that I want to express. So I should learn new things and try to experiment, but if simple songs are coming out, let them, something great could come of them!

Thank you all for helping me work through these feelings! Hopefully I'm on my way now, but if I get stuck again I can always come back to all of this.