Winter Songs 2011 Album

"A group of 50/90/Fawmer's and potential 50/90/Fawmer's"

So a group of songwriters, then?

Actually, looking at the tracks it might be more accurate to say a group of songwriters who are members of the Songsmiths Anonymous forum.

I'm sure it's a very good collection, most likely better than most christmas compilations anyway.

I think "Rakhoi" may be misspelt, by the way*, either that or it's been being misspelt on the forums all this time.

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* in the event that someone is reading this after it has been corrected, let me say simply for clarification that it appears to be spelt "Rhakoi" on the page, i'm only trying to be helpful.

Oh no, not members of the songsmiths anonymous cult! Hide ya kids! Hide ya wife! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCXlL2MgIxA&feature=related

i think you misinterpreted my comments.

there's not much i can do to be clearer. i said i was sure it was better than the usual xmas drek, i pointed out a spelling mistake, and all i get are sarcastic remarks?

it's enough to make me open a new bag of humbugs.

PS - i do wonder why the fact this is an SA Forums compilation is so conspicuously absent from the first post though.

PPS - by the way just so we're totally clear on this, i am not trying to cause trouble, i am GENUINELY bemused by the obvious omission of the fact this is an SAForums production, and i haven't got anything against any members of that forum (except the tendency of some of their number to jealously do all their song feedback on that site instead of the sites they are nominally members of), and i certainly hope they all have a happy christmas.

very funny.

Look, i think the SAForums are a great idea, and i think most, if not all, of the members there are perfectly fine people, good songwriters and musicians etc, but i didn't enjoy the social interaction i had there, and i think that the net effect of the SAForums as it affects the wider world (ie: the communities at FAWM, 5090 and NASOALMO) dilutes the effectiveness of the greater songwriting community that we're all part of.

I have nothing against the forums, the members, their music, anything, and i am sick of reiterating it, and i know you lot are sick of hearing it. The only reason i am going over this all over again is that i do not want their whole community thinking i hate them or anything, and i do not want to be censored.

I am genuinely interested in why this collection wasn't touted as a successful SAForums production to be honest, it's quite obvious that this detail was left out, and i am just naturally inquisitive. But it REALLY annoys me that every time i say anything in any connection with SAForums at all somebody makes some smartalec reply, as though i am trolling. I mean i haven't had the answer to the question yet. Gerry, i wasn't aware of any animosity between us but your reply ignores my question and makes me think you're just trying to piss me off, though if i'm honest it's that level of immaturity that prompted me to leave SAForums in the first place. I don't wish to offend you, but you know i have to be honest. I don't like flippant remarks, i don't like people who laugh at others behind their hands, and i don't like people making wrong assumptions about others.

Now, we all know Paul/Dragondreams set up SAForums, and to be honest, though i may have misread the situation, he and i now seem to get on well. Neither of us enjoy conflict or bearing a grudge, i think he's a sound guy, and he and i have exchanged messages on FB and other non-SAForums platforms, and he's ordered a physical copy of my new CD by mail order, the first person to do so. I thoroughly enjoyed Paul's 5090 CD and i hope he enjoys mine and gets at least his money's worth.

So me saying all that stuff was a total waste of my time and yours except that it's important to me that people don't just think i'm some hating shouting arsehole. Nothing could be further from the truth, as i hope i have just explained, and i maintain that the only people who jump to this conclusion and perpetuate this myth are small minded people who are happy to miss the subtleties of the world they live in.

I bet there are people reading this now in fact that think what an arse i am for hijacking this thread, and in fact it pisses me off probably more than anybody else that i've done that to yet another thread over the issue of SAForums but i will not be maligned or misrepresented, and for someone to ignore a genuine question and make fun of me like i am some worthless idiot just out to cause trouble is unacceptable, and it's something i thought i had left behind when i left SAForums.

Incidentally, i did have a song on the Wicked Songs compilation, and i am very happy that that song was included, since i know that at least one wicked song was not included on the basis that the songwriter was a 5090 member, and not a SAForums member. So unless they've changed that rule, i don't think i'll ever be eligible again for inclusion on one of their collections.

However i wish every individual that sees fit to spend their time on those forums all the very best, for the season, the new year, and just generally. And that's it.

And i'm sure this collection of christmas songs from the SAForums members will be fun, impressive and generally excellent.

And i'm sorry to have wasted your time, but as i say, i will always defend myself when misrepresented. In my opinion a person's good name is of paramount importance, and the modern tendency to so casually belittle somebody is worthy of nothing but contempt.

Thank you very much Calum for your kind words about my collaboration with Gerry
Happy New Year to you. Looking forward to hearing more songs from you and hope we can collaborate again