Listening, mixing, and hearing... --or, what I did the past coupladays...

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If so inclined... hear yah go Lol It took me a half a cup-o-coffee to write, it may take you two to read and four to fully "get" Smile Dirol
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Recently I've been watching some interview type documentaries of famous artists from various periods. Some seem obscure, some not.

-- One thing, if not more, that I got from them was when listening to them *speak, and then *sing, (there), I could hear their voice there, --not mixed.

That rang a bell in my mind. It also immediately confirmed a few things. If you read this, and "get" it... you may apply it to your current demos, if not doing so already. Now, this is "manual" mixing, [of already well Recorded dry tracks], not automated bot mixing. It will make you sound like "you", not Engineer/Producer [xyz]. It's as much an art as "artist".

So, anyway:
I went to that mixed recording of theirs, and listened again and [now] could hear very differently how it got mixed. I just heard them speak/sing, --dry (never did previously to compare, not like that).
(On what and how you do this is part of the exercise, coming below, as was for me.)

So, what that did was make it easier for me to consider [reconsider] that, what I just heard, when --mixing my own voice. (Mixing, not Recording, already recorded)
(Which is not a great idea due to hearing it, your own voice, through bone, flesh and blood day by day, not as others hear it).

I noticed and appreciated tracks specifically from circa 70's+ that had very simply --Bass Guitar nailed/isolated hard Right, Treble Guitar hard Left and Vocal, Drum Kit dead Center. There's not allot of magic in that. One just needs to have faith Physics will do the rest for you.

So, more specifically, the Vocals had the mid's scooped quite a bit (allot, really). I could now here "that" since just heard them "sing" in the interview (back to the Red Flag above, abstract connection).

The lesson for me was what they did to get the Mixed Voice, the Record-recorded Voice. It was not hammered with Reverb (though there, on one dup'd track) and with the likely many duplicated Vocal Tracks that had a [I will presume, heard?] Treble Track with Wet Only, etc. I was watching their engineers speak and do and then pull back from saying anything more Smile hahhh...

I was now hearing some of what I know I do, have done, and simply figured out on my own to do.
[Also, what I think I hear in Sound Enhanced Mode on my Cell Phone, for example. Lol ]

However, also, if one listens to a "Reference" Track in Studio Monitor HP's... then on a, e.g. 800 Watt stereo with great speaker separation, etc.. from 20 feet back [sitting in front if a hard wall] they can really appreciate the simplicity of what the engineer did and how simply physics may do the rest. To say it matters on what you listen... is an understatement. I think what I appreciated this week was the "listening" part versus the "enjoyment" part and then applying that to my own mixes. I never want to stop enjoying, but it does pay to listen well too [and not in the car, boom box, etc.]. Hearing these guys like "that" in an interview, and "dry"... did it. So simple, but made this abstract connection that affirmed quite a bit.

-- No one is going to tell you, if even you ask!, hey dup your vocal track [n] x's and do [...] But they will attempt to sell you a plug'in that attempts to do that. The "Temp" space needed for much of this is high for a reason. I guess one could monitor those files, if one can. Many online curriculums may tell you have to set up hardware, and use software and what a plug in does (show you a SINE Wave Scope even)... but they won't tell you with a very simple few tracks in the most basic of setups, do -- [...]. No, that you'll need to go to a Nash-ville Boot Camp and pay... So unnecessary.

So the deductive, point post all that induction above Lol :
It was a wonderful affirming moment. The content available today is amazing. It made me feel less concerned about what I hear I do with my own voice since just heard it from "them".

Also, too, when I see initial expression on faces listening to new tracks... I feel better that I've done something good with the track that they hear as well. To them it sounds like magic, but, it wasn't.

-- "Taotronics" puts out a Tx, RX Bluetooth unit that allowed me to preview my tracks on "anything" from "anything" ... my best gear buy of this year and so cheap to do.

What were some of your favorite documentaries?

Oh, hey veg... my wife's the caretaker of the "TV" and has some Satellite pack... I'm likely the 1 of 10 who dug through the Content-wars content they all are having, Amazon, Netflix, etc. so they can all say they have 10K things to watch. One was even mislabled as an interview... (didn't notice the length), yeah, --then went on some hour after, of one after the other, old, circa 1970's band concert highlight after another... I've long forgotten... I guess (I'd be like 10-12 y.o. -ish at the time) "that" music was so new "then" coming out of 1950/60... everything got "filmed". Lots a weird stuff if you have time and a satellite subscription and has a bunch of content Vendors... Amazon Specifically has a pretty deep archive of stuff no one watches Smile Then once you choose it, it keeps coming up with new "krappe"... old, old edited together BBC TV Spots and who knows what (S. America... etc., too). I even found an "anti-america" pro communist, TV, "Detective" series redone in English (for Americans to watch), ... think it was from Romania -ish country Lol ... it really was worth watching a few episodes to see the depiction of "Americans" esp. in .gov positions... hysterical -- all dressed like Rodney King going for golf (think that was the comedian... --"can't get no respect" fellow).

So much stuff today is, I dunno... can I say "sanitised" ? -- it's like non-content-content.

I know one was, I remember specifically was a somewhat Spaghetti pasted production of "The Who" members. (I mentioned to someone else here last week... Lol )

Anyway, --hey, if that rang your bell, great! I just love this stuff. I never get tired or burned out from music... just get more of a Battery Charge, and actually have to back away to save you poor folks (?) Lol Hahhh. And "here", well, I'm not deformatting anyone's "Group" (the place is closed and locked anyway)... it's all ala cart, take it, pass on it, poke with your fork and put it back ... --it all goes to the trash in another few months anyway Wink

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Also, I guess I'll just keep it in one post... --go get another cup-o-coffee, I'll wait... Smile :

Good luck on your "Album"... I see you posting elsewhere. If you get stuck, why not post issues here and see who swings at it? I figure there's like 20 people lurking on anyone day--we "are not alone" (X-Files) Smile ...

Like today, I actually was not going to click in and here's you asking a direct question... --don't ever think I won't answer... I've always got something to say, if I SEE it.

I had lots of ideas for stuff here Post 5090... but there are a few who aggressively kick back what's not normally done, and no one talks over them Smile hahhh... (I do) ...

--One thing I think would'a help many here, imnho Lol ... is a Track-file Mix Exchange.
Yup, folks swap like one song of tracks, 5090, FAWM, where-ever, -- and get someone else to mix it...
-- I used to have students Paint on plain Brown Paper Grocery/Garbage bags, Gesso'd white... ALWAYS their BEST paintings of that semester... not worried about krapping up a $30 Canvas of new pristine white space. You'll Mix anothers Tracks differently, if not better than them, potentially since are not worried about being "them". Well, maybe not.
-- Interesting huh? ... again, maybe not! Lol (Same thing for Tracks as "Painting" on "krappe" --it freeing... but, in the other Forum here, the past couple of days, a couple of folks made allot of sense, --folks just want to do *their stuff, not "discuss", engage in artistic exchange... I really did forget that until read the very good, wise and honest words of Andy, Bill ... ... I need that every now and then, --people do suck, but you still gotta by YOU!! Smile I do, am... --being.

So derUgo, not exactly what you asked for, but because I really think folks should go have a look and see what's what and make that connection. What some forget here is, the "struggle is the learning process". Never take the easy way, so to speak, I say.

OK, c u @ the .net.