Idea: FAWM/5090 Sample Packs?

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Hi all —

Last night I was messing around making sounds... not music (yet) per se, but decided to start recording/saving sound experiments to try and stitch into musical pieces later. Then it occurred to me that others might be interested in these "sample packs" too, and furthermore I've collected quite a few virtual instruments over the years that I could use to make loops/textures that others might be interested in incorporating into their demos.

This gave me an idea to replace the fawmpilations up on the bandcamp merch page (https://fawm.bandcamp.com/music — which by the way nobody has bought in several years) with sample packs to help inspire songwriting or accompaniment.

Each pack would have a theme (example ideas I've thought about so far: atmospheres, cassette drums, shakers, classic drum machines, euclidean rhythms, upright bass, string quartet, randomness). If folks were interested in curating their own sample packs, fawmers/5090ers who wanted to could also reach out and contribute their own sounds as well to "crowdsourced" community packs.

They could be released via FAWM's bandcamp page. All proceeds would go to keep FAWM/5090 going.

So my questions are:
1. What do people think about this idea?
2. What price point(s) do you think is/are fair for a sample pack to support FAWM/5090, and for what quantity of loops/samples?
3. What kinds of instruments, sounds, themes, etc., would be most useful to you in your songwriting/demoing process?

One could even imagine FAWM/5090 challenges whereby everyone tries to make their own songs out of sounds in the same sample packs! Smile

Let me know what you think, and thanks for the input...

I think any good idea is a good idea. - Good idea.

I'd have to hear your stuff as an e.g. to make sure I understand what I think you are saying which I may (as I do) hear differently.

Price point, is a great question! So here's just a knee jerk gut reaction, and, again, not knowing really what you mean by all of this?... could be all on the wrong side of an otherwise correct map Smile
- $1 per something of what it is you speak
- Also, it could be a "subscription" which means (regardless of price point) ...
a) once you pay, any update afterward or to a limited time, say 2-3 years? you get those updates (how many will? and would effect a "new" from old buyer? None, typically, but is an enticement as more generous, if over the top.)
b) a subscription of say, awe heck let's get ridiculous... Smile as e.g. $0.50/mo to never increase to the first 250 folks ($6/year, $1500 if 250 take it) (a number I pick since is most of any active member count, arguably?) from which you can happily and conveniently just get what you want when you want it, take all at once or just one at a time... (me, don't need more krappe on my HD to track Smile and loose Smile so to speak, no reflection on the content Wink ) and as I take stuff it's marked off as took just so I know... but can re-get a gotten one again.

So, I think that answered what you asked.

And, I think you'd need a "secure" Smile way, like a "PayPal" for any of it so can blame them if hacked, not a "http" clear text thingy (where folks use the same ID/PW as on their Bank Acct Wink o m g!) .

- Oh, kinds of instruments, - ALL e.g. kazoo, harmonica, violin, vocal ohhhs and ahhhs (male/female) I can pitchly change to the key of my song as backing and etc.

I like the idea of sample packs. I also like the idea of leaving the Fawmpilations up at a reduced price. But if no-one is buying them then it doesn't really matter.

I really like the idea of a challenge using one set of samples, too.

Subscription is an interesting idea. Maybe a monthly pack throughout the year? Although that might be too much work...

Bandcamp actually does support subscriptions now. I wonder what other perks might be rolled into that?

Doing a little research (https://bandcamp.com/tag/sample-pack), it looks like most sample packs go for $5-20, or something like $0.03-$0.10 per sample. So there's a pretty wide spread.

Most of those are aimed at electronic music makers, though, and we'd probably want to make singer-songwriter focused sample packs for fawmers as well...

Sample packs sounds like a great idea to me, the kind of thing the whole community could get excited and involved with. But I don't see the point in removing the Fawmpilations, even if they're not selling. Actually, something else bringing traffic into the merch store might make them more likely to sell.

Personally, the thing that would be most useful to me is punk power chords. I haven't been able to find any way of making songs with that kind of sound short of buying a guitar.

I look at prices and really wonder how folks come up with them, - they're following the "science"?

What others sell anything for is typically focus group set at a price point sensitivity, e.g. Amazon and the volatility with "trackers" which folks use to simply wait on the pattern set, get alerted and etc.

Eddy Van Halen, in one thing he did, if I understood correctly, - he can't "even" pay anyone to come in and inventory his collection of hours or studio time tracks. A strange, over simplified arguable e.g., however, - if, as I imply ? EVH can't pay someone to listen to his music, so to speak, you're going to get ~ $7 - 10 for DL, or CD? Just a wonderment on my part.

And so the "prices" for this, if going on what others do, well, give it a shot. Yet, I wonder again after all the years "here" no one's picked up on price sensitivity's and the things attached to them?

So, this thing could do a few things, and I see it already, - unite, divide or fracture. It'd be great if it united. What's the chance of that?

So, what may happen if just "go along"... method, a fracture niche group will form, and possibly support it, for a while. My understanding is, if moment occurs in "this" it'll be in the first 5-10 days of it when "group formation" occurs, et alia - which you should be familiar with and etc.

So, I'd keep a handle on and close grip on any "cool kids" type group forming, the "defenders" seeking a cause to spew strong emotional opinion about. So, like in an office, the Boss squashes the "jack ashe" and the rest of the employees actually believe they can be a whole, real group, just not another group of the same 10 or so drivers, e.g. the kazillion "fawm" songwriting other groups of all the same folks 24x7x365 all the same in all, and etc.

So, if this is leadership-managed in such a way that all folks looking at this, if a "group" thing to do, that the whole group may, then proceed with that in mind.

I can cite, as I did one time this year, and only the first time ever concerning the "donations" here, - where I was told real quick, "no rock hands, no song comments" with the usual pile on crowd. Now, you know how motivating that was for me to run to the paypal donate button, right.

So, let "this" be the fire-break, or the target and I'll watch to see what happens from here. Hey, make *this the "ashe", and squash it! Yeehaww! Fool I'll still love you in the morning, anyway!

But, handle it as may be, or has been, and risk tons of viseral minutia and allot of bag holding, alone.

So, possibly more simply? Do this as it's own thing, not if this than that, "that" needs to be separate. As far as the conflated "that" with this, why not make "that" a free archive for a year and see how many are DL's, - as "free". (Ironically, they may be free on the orig artists page and not "even" listened to?)

-Perspective, and focus and a little bit of "actually, the king, he's naked, he has no clothes!, really, I know a bare ashe when I see one! and the dudes clothes-free!".

- Or, maybe just ignore this, and handle it per the most visceral cool kid finding this and screaming about it. That never happens here, but, hey, it's a way to go too.

Aww, I liked the FAWMpilations. Well, 5 of them.

Idea: Make themed packs, and their individual price is "whatever the user wants to pay, plus $x". So "x" is a base price that is seriously reduced, but buyers get to add money to the total if they want. Pretty sure most FAWMers/5090ers would gladly add a little money without having to.

I don't see this as likely to generate a significant amount of revenue. But then I don't know what you would consider significant! Biggrin

I wonder why someone would buy sample packs from FAWM. Maybe I don't fully understand the proposal but I assume samples are readily available from many sources. Am I wrong? What would make FAWM sample packs different/desirable?

Is FAWM/50-90 in need of significant additional support? If so I might suggest a fundraiser or maybe increase the cost of rock hands and grant additional privileges to those members.

Sample packs do seem popular, but as was stated, with mostly electronic styles of music producers. Not sure how much traffic we would generate from outside the Fawm community. I'm all for packs at a relatively inexpensive price point. I would participate, or even help set up, a challenge of using them during 50/90 or FAWM.